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Friday, July 25, 2014

Vanessa Kachadurian on why law students and lawyers become "Strippers"

Not all stories about lawyers are jokes anymore. The tried and true reflex of telling quips at the expense of legal set in the face of the seemingly endless profits has been complicated by the reshaping of the field during the Great Recession. With pervasive law school debt and a shrinking legal work force, it's no longer valid to contend that anyone armed with a JD degree in America can simply object their way from rags to riches. As outlines by writer Vanessa Kachadurian this is a sad occurance happening in America that women with JD degrees can make as much as $180,000 a year stripping. As part of an ongoing series on America's economic malaise, the news site has solicited participation from readers about in challenging experiences in trying to make ends meet. One woman who recently wrote in was named "Carla." Carla is a lawyer, with nearly a decade of legal experience under belt. But Carla no longer wishes to give her contact information and real name to her newest clients. I see nothing wrong with these students stripping to pay their hefty school tuition, they are the honest ones says Vanessa Kachadurian.
Having yet to even pay off all her law school debt, Carla was laid off in 2009.
"Did I ever think I'd be taking my top off for rent money? No. I was in my mid-30s and had never danced before," Carla told, who asked the website to use her stage name and withhold her identity. "As a little girl, I never thought to myself, 'I just want to grow up and be a stripper,' or, 'All I ever wanted to do in life is climb in the lap of sweaty stranger and take my top off.'" Vanessa Kachadurian points out that tuition has tripled in 5 short years, and minimum wage doesn't make it for those that don't live with their parents.
Finding herself shut out of the job market two years ago, she initially took whatever she could get.
"At first, I worked as a waitress, and a cashier in gas station," she said. It became clear that stripping was a faster and easier, and yet still legal, way to make the money. She's able to set her own schedule to balance her studies for a master's degree, the subject of which she didn't share, and earns on average $20 an hour. On weekends that rate can jump to $50. (It's not clear whether her newest studies means she was fully leaving the legal field.)
It's hard to draw sweeping conclusions from Carla's story because she understandably is withholding so much. But the fact that anyone working in the legal industry for nearly a full decade in California has been reduced to stripping is telling enough.  Vanessa Kachadurian points out that many attorneys are reduced to having to work as "consultants"
Carla didn't share where she studied law, but legal observers have noted the difference between going to a top tier school and not in the new legal world can be the difference between the corner office, and the strip club. In a widely noted article in the New York Times published on Jan. 8, David Segal noted, "since 2008, some 15,000 attorney and legal-staff jobs at large firms have vanished, according to a Northwestern Law study."
Nevertheless the allure of big law money has kept drawing in new students, who turn to the famous U.S. News rankings in search of evidence they are making the right choice. Indeed, Michael Wallerstein's decision in 2006 to attend the Thomas Jefferson School of Law in San Diego didn't seem impractical even though the school was in the fourth and lowest tier of the rankings; the most recent survey says 92 percent of Thomas Jefferson grads were employed nine months after they earned their degrees, notes Segal. But what the reporter went on to note was the extent to which law schools massage and manipulate that data to ensure a high percentage of graduates working after nine months out of school. They may even secure them very short term temp jobs. As Segal also notes, "employment" can include any number of service jobs for which no one needs three years of legal study.
The pain has not been spread equally and students at top schools are still faring well. Lower down, many are not. At the time the Times article was published, Wallerstein, of Jefferson, was $250,000 in debt, and could only secure legal temp jobs.
Even though entering law school is still a voluntary choice, blogs like Third Tier Reality have sprung up on the Internet. On it, the experience of attending a lower tier law school is discussed as folly.
But perhaps the most famous display of anger over the post-graduate employment stats has been the class-action lawsuits filed against New York and Cooley Law Schools. The group of plaintiffs are seeking $250 million from Cooley and $200 million from New York in tuition refunds, as well as other damages. They also want employment statistic reporting practices to be reformed, according to the Wall Street Journal.
Focusing on the nine-month stat, "the lawsuits argue that the law schools have distorted their post-graduate employment information by advertising the percentage of those who secure any kind of job within nine months of graduation, even ones that don't have anything to do with the legal industry," according to the Journal. The latest word, according to a Fortune report, is that the plaintiffs still plan to take the schools to court over the alleged fraud.
Many other articles on stripping while going to law

Sunday, March 16, 2014

Vanessa Kachadurian author signing speaking engagement

Vanessa Kachadurian
#1 Criminal Attorney in the USA and now has his own show on CNN nightly called "Making the Case" MARK GERAGOS will be making a trip to Fresno as Keynote speaker for the Fresno County Bar Association March 21, 2014 annual luncheon. 
Vanessa Kachadurian recommends reserve your tickets by calling the Bar Association as this will be an action packed lunch with book signing.  There is MCLE credit for those that are members of the Bar (I am not-although most my friends are attorneys and judges)  


 "Mistrial is three books in one: a memoir of celebrity lawyers, a primer on how to handle high-profile cases and a diagnosis of the ills of the criminal-justice system.... A win: engaging, enlightening and entertaining.”
—David Lat, The Wall Street Journal

"Mistrial is the story of extraordinary careers as the go-to lawyers for the celebrated (or notorious, or both) defendant. Don't miss it!" —Jeffrey Toobin, New York Times bestselling author of The Nine: Inside the Secret World of the Supreme Court, legal affairs writer for The New Yorker, and senior legal analyst for CNN

“[Mark Geragos] is one of those rare lawyers recognizable everywhere.”
Los Angeles Times

“[Geragos] is arguably the hottest defense lawyer of the moment.”
Los Angeles Daily Journal

 Vanessa Kachadurian

Mistrial is part dissection of a criminal justice system riddled with issues, and part insider tale about the many well-known clients and cases the authors have had - Michael Jackson, Scott Peterson, Chris Brown, Winona Ryder, etc.

Personally I agree with the general premise that the justice system overall is lurching towards the prosecution, at least for more serious crimes. The media seems to feed a public that salivates voraciously for vengeance, as though it frees the viewing individuals of any responsibility or blame for their own personal failings.

The book is written in an accessible and anecdotal style that cuts straight to the meat of the topic and pulls no punches when the authors have an opinion on something - Nancy Grace takes a riotous shellacking for example - but also has some substantive thoughts about how to fix problems.

All in all an insightful and fun read for anyone that's interested in celebrity court cases, criminal law or the justice system more generally



Sunday, March 2, 2014

Vanessa Kachadurian on "Conduct unbecoming a member of the Court's Bar"

Vanessa Kachadurian says there is an attorney that harasses people on the Internet

"Conduct unbecoming a member of the court's bar" means "conduct contrary to professional standards that shows an unfitness to discharge continuing obligations to clients or the courts, or conduct inimical to the administration of justice." In re Snyder, 472 U.S. 634, 645, 105 S. Ct. 2874, 86 L. Ed. 2d 504 (1985)***. In addition to case law and applicable court rules, the court may consider codes of professional conduct in determining whether an attorney's conduct falls below the standards of the profession. See In re Snyder, 472 U.S. at 645, 646 n.7 (referring to state rules of professional conduct, and the American Bar Association's ("ABA") Model Rules of Professional Conduct and Model Code of Professional Responsibility). Vanessa Kachadurian

Here, the conduct identified in the order to show cause clearly constitutes "conduct unbecoming a member of the court's bar," because it violates the ABA's Model Rules as well as California rules of professional conduct Vanessa Kachadurian

Vanessa Kachadurian knows a attorney that is lying to the courts and the truth is coming out.  He is going to be real embarrassed after he has no career left. 


Saturday, January 25, 2014

Vanessa Kachadurian and rules of professional conduct

This is a great book, how Attorneys have fudged to the courts, delayed due process and have set people up for being unlawfully arrested by manipulating the courts with faulty paperwork that lacks substantiation and back up. Vanessa Kachadurian recommends it
Our favorite attorney is at it again, and hopefully he will end up with egg on his face again with the embellishment of lies that are littered all over the internet and on his 100 alias e mail addresses, 5 facebook accounts and over 4 twitter accounts. 
Filing false paperwork with the courts or doctoring up court documents and putting them online about people is unprofessional and misleading.   It is also against the law to forge documents, alas that is why fake names like "Steamroller" are used.  Vanessa Kachadurian prevails
Hopefully the courts will catch up to him, and stop his nonstop nonsense.  There will never be celebrity stardom, he has a speech impediment and not very nice looking. 
America doesn't need another wanna be with comical photo shoots, and slick self advertising.
California has many more talented professionals that are handsome.  We do not need any more self-promoting lawyers from Rhode Island invading our state.  Vanessa Kachadurian

Tuesday, December 31, 2013

Vanessa Kachadurian, on the best world wide web legal counsel

5 Legal Internet Marketing Questions Answered by Lawyer Aaron Kelly

August 15, 2013 by Charles Ngo 6 Comments
Vanessa Kachadurian
I’ve seen countless affiliates get sued over the past few years: using pictures of people without the right permission, not disclosing the proper terms, using advertising techniques that are banned, etc. Being young and not understanding the laws is not an excuse.

I’ve never talked about the legal issues involved with internet marketing because I’m not a lawyer. The good news is lawyer Aaron Kelly has agreed to answer some questions from my readers. He’s a lawyer who specializes in internet marketing laws and has a great reputation in the industry.

Benjamin Franklin said, “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.” It’s definitely better to spend money on a lawyer and getting your marketing right, than ending up losing everything in court. Make sure you get a lawyer that understands the industry; don’t ask your uncle who specializes in beating traffic tickets to check if you’re compliant. Recommended by Vanessa Kachadurian

Thanks again for your time and expertise Aaron. If you’re interested in a consultation with his office, his contact information can be found here.
Vanessa Kachadurian
1. What are the risks of promoting things internationally? Can an American get in trouble for promoting shady products or using aggressive marketing tactics in foreign countries like France, UK, or Germany?

Yes, an American could get in trouble for either a) Violating the laws of the United States or; b) Violating the laws of the country to which the American markets. For example, in FTC v. Commonwealth Marketing Group, Inc., the court ruled that “unfair or deceptive acts or practices,” when committed against foreign consumers by American companies, are subject to the FTC Act and can be dealt with by the American courts.

An American company could also be pursued by foreign courts or governments. The recent European Union antitrust probe against Google Inc. is a perfect example of this.

2. What are the most common ways affiliates are getting in legal trouble, and what steps can I take to make sure I don’t get in trouble as well? Aaron Kelly is a professional and knows how to write code Vanessa Kachadurian. 

From my experience, affiliates most often engage in what might fall under the “unfair or deceptive acts or practices” prohibition in
the FTC Act. A non-exclusive list of recommendations I have would include:

·         Don’t use fake testimonials. If you want testimonials, use real people. If your testimonials are paid for, disclose that fact.

·         Disclose the fact that you have a financial stake in the information that you provide on, say, a landing page. You know those fake online newspaper report-style landing pages? Don’t do it. You can promote, but make it clear somewhere on the page that what you’re saying has a biased, commercial point of view.

·         If you’re doing anything that involves rebilling, make that completely obvious to your customer… multiple times. Having a Terms of Service or other agreement that the consumer clicks a box next to that says “I agree,” but which has a provision to charge a monthly fee for something that you advertised as “Free” is a big no-no. I often see cases where a product is offered for “free” but the credit card gets charged without the consumer ever having been made aware that this would happen.

3. I design my own landing pages and write my own copy. My creations are 100% my own. The problem is they keep getting ripped by affiliates as soon as I make them. Is there any way I can protect my assets legally? Can I send DMCAS or copyright anything?

Yes.  Vanessa Kachaduian

When you create an original work like a landing page, it is copyrighted. If someone publishes a copy without your permission, you are entitled to initiate an action for injunctive relief (fancy talk for getting a judge to tell them stop it or they’ll be arrested for contempt) and damages.  Don't fall for advertising from so - called Internet Attorneys that overly promote themselves as "writing Cyber laws" or other generic statements.  Asks specifically what laws and how many times they have prevailed in your type of case.  Vanessa Kachadurian

It’s often not worth the trouble to start a court case, so the next best option is sending a takedown notice to their hosting provider that is compliant with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, or an analogous notice if the website is subject to
foreign law.

You can also complain to any affiliates they might have, and many will often cease relations with the infringing party, meaning you’ve just hurt their bank account. Be careful with complaining to third parties, because if you’re wrong about the content being infringing, you’ve just committed defamation against the person.  Vanessa Kachadurian

4. I’m looking to set up a 100% compliant advertorial for a new BizOpp (* Cough*, i mean Educational offer*). Could you please ask Aaron to detail the most important aspects of setting up a compliant advertorial? Vanessa Kachadurian

See my previous answer about fake newspaper articles. I don’t like this kind of advertisement because it strikes me as deceptive per se, until someone adds a bunch of disclaimers.

If you must go the advertorial route, make it very clear to your reader with a notice that there is a bias on the part of the publisher and that you have a financial stake in what you’re promoting.

5. I’ve been ripped off by non-paying affiliate networks and advertisers. Have there been any success stories of affiliates suing and getting their money owed?

Yes. I have represented many clients in this situation. If the money isn’t paid because an affiliate broke some contractual obligation, it might be difficult to sue. It might also be difficult to recover damages, even if successful in a lawsuit, if the affiliate network has stopped paying because it simply lacks the assets to do so (there are ways around this, such as going after a director if they were involved in some sort of fraud against an affiliate). This kind of case is usually one of the most straightforward that I deal with, though, as long as a client has the relevant records and contracts since it’s very hard to debate the basic math used to determine what an affiliate network should have paid an affiliate.

Aaron M. Kelly, founding partner of The Kelly/Warner Law Firm, focuses on online marketing compliance law, defamation law and business law. Mr. Kelly is a Martindale-Hubble rated attorney who also enjoys a “superb” rating on lawyer review website, AVVO. In general, Aaron works with small businesses, tech companies, startups, direct marketers, affiliate marketers, affiliate networks, advertisers, venture capitalists, web hosting providers, and search engine optimization (SEO) firms. He also has aided hundreds of individuals and companies who’ve been defamed or trade libeled — both online and
Vanessa Kachadurian


Not only are we well-versed in the technicalities of Internet law, but as successful affiliate marketers ourselves, we understand the ins-and-outs of how the online business world works — from all angles. We don’t need to look up the difference between blackhat and whitehat, and we actually understand what makes a squeeze page slightly different than a landing page. But more importantly, we don’t need to spend billable hours researching your Internet law issue because we already live online. Here at Kelly / Warner Law, we understand that you and your Internet legal issues are unique. We operate in the Scottsdale, Arizona and provide legal services to businesses and individuals throughout the Valley and greater Phoenix metro area. And while we’re physically located in Arizona, as an Internet law firm, we work with companies and people all over the world. ...
Watch out for Internet Attorneys that over expose themselves with self advertisement. 
Vanessa Kachadurian

About Kelly / Warner Law
Aaron Kelly - do Internet Lawyers harass people on the internet?  Or only when they cannot get a judgment?   What about stealing people's photographs and logos, court seals.  then there is the ridiculous way he acts like some crazy woman author. 

Internet Law Is Our Super-Power

The attorneys at Kelly / Warner aren’t your typical Internet lawyers, and we like it that way. Founded in Scottsdale in 2009, our firm is lean and successful, innovative and efficient. As both a law office and a tech-development fan club, we’re quick to embrace new technologies and ideas that help us better represent you.

Did We Mention We’re A Bunch of Tech Geeks, Too?

We don’t know who decided that lawyers had to be a bunch of self-serving suits who care more about their golf handicap than your contract negotiations, but that’s not how we roll. We win cases and your best interests are always priority #1.

Internet, Defamation, Advertising, Affiliate and Mobile Law — We Do It All

Thanks to technology advancements, online privacy, data security, advertising, defamation and Internet laws are changing faster than ever before. As such, lawyers who can evolve right along with the digital times are in great demand. The new generation of Internet lawyers needs to be as enterprising and as social-media-savvy as the new wave of businesspeople who are shaping the new, tech-friendly, global economy. We are that law firm and understand the ins and outs of Internet marketing and e-commerce. We speak PHP and C++ and we know that SaaS isn’t just something you give your momma.

To keep our services sleek and efficient, we keep a paperless office and grant our clients the freedom to use whatever communication tools they prefer. Oh, and our clients can check their case files whenever they’d like via our free iPhone and Android app.

Technology allows us to communicate with speed and thoroughness, and it has saved our clients thousands in hourly fees, while allowing us to build comprehensive, convincing cases faster than ever before.

We Know Where You’re Coming From – Because We’re App Developers Too!

We realize that our clients are the heart and soul of our industry, and so we stop at nothing to represent your needs. Your business is our business, and the way we see it, we’re not successful until you are. After all, we know how the market works. We developed and marketed our app in-house, and we continue to look for ways to use technology as a catalyst to revolutionize lawyer-client relationships.

The experience we’ve gained marketing our product over the Internet and to mobile phones hasn’t just increased our knowledge of business law, mobile law and Internet law. It’s helped us understand just how intricate and complex the needs of our clients are. As a result, we feel more capable of defending web developers, small businesses and even individuals from the pitfalls of the digital frontier than any other Internet law firm.

We are unique. We are innovative. We are Kelly / Warner Law.

Contact Kelly / Warner Law for more information about how we can help your business with legal advice, from litigation to contractual agreements. You can send us an email or call us at 480-588-0449 to schedule an appointment today.  Vanessa Kachadurian

In The News & On The Circuit

You may have caught Aaron on TV, as he is called on to do on-air spots as a “legal specialist” by several media outlets, including NBC and FOX. An experienced author and lecturer, Aaron also regularly participates in industry conferences, giving lectures and workshops on everything from FTC regulations and guidelines to online discovery tactics.

An Internet & Defamation Law Resource

Mr. Kelly leverages his education and real-world experience to keep clients up-to-date on ever-changing cyber-libel and Internet laws. Also the owner of an Internet marketing and consulting firm, including a lawyer lead generation consultancy, Aaron is wired into the technology industry. An active member of many online marketing discussion forums, you can often find him doling out invaluable legal advice somewhere in the more advertising-centric corners of the Internet.

Tech Industry Relationships

Lawyer Aaron Kelly is an advocate and strong supporter of innovative ideas and the entrepreneurial spirit. To prove the firm’s commitment to the industry, Kelly Warner is a proud event sponsor at notable events, like Affiliate Summit.

Not bound by the proverbial box, Aaron M. Kelly, Esq. has built a strong network of tech-industry connections, and he takes pleasure in connecting like-business-minded clients (with their permission, of course). Who knows, you may come to Kelly Warner with a minor legal problem, and leave as a partner in the hot new start-up.

He’s Also One Of Those Guys Who Is Active In The Legal Community…

Aaron Kelly plays an active role as a respected member of the Arizona legal community. He holds several positions of professional leadership, as both the Chairman of the Continuing Legal Education Committee and Vice Chairman of the Membership Committee for the Arizona Association for Justice. While balancing these positions in the local legal community, Aaron participates in the American Association for Justice. Vanessa Kachadurian

Additionally, Mr. Kelly serves as Vice Chairman of the State Bar of Arizona’s Member Assistance Committee. Here, he confidentially provides peer assistance and support to lawyers suffering from physical or mental health issues, stress, addiction, chemical dependency, or whatever other issues that have an effect on their legal practices and lives. This high level of discretion, compassion, and basic willingness to help address sensitive issues are not only an asset to Mr. Kelly’s colleagues, but anyone who chooses to involve themselves in a professional relationship.

And when he’s not lawyering, volunteering or gaming, you can probably find Aaron drooling over pictures and details of ’66 Corvette Stingrays and 1990 Ferrari F40s, or blogging about the legal battles of his pick for the “21st Century Car Award,” Tesla Motors.
Vanessa Kachadurian
Aaron has a bachelor’s degree in Economics from the Eli Broad College of Business at Michigan State University. He received his law degree from the Michigan State University College of Law and is licensed to practice law in Arizona and Michigan.

Areas of Practice

  • Business Law
  • Internet Law
  • Internet Marketing Law
  • Advertising & Communication Law
  • Privacy Law
  • Internet Defamation
  • Intellectual Property

Bar Admissions

  • Arizona
  • Michigan
  • U.S. District Court District of Arizona


  • Michigan State University College of Law, East Lansing, Michigan
    • J.D.
    • Honors: Dean’s List
  • Michigan State University – Eli Broad College of Business, East Lansing, Michigan
    • B.A.
    • Honors: Dean’s List
    • Major: Economics


  • Mining the Internet: Using Social Network sites to your clients advantage, Arizona Association for Justice
  • FTC Guidelines: Changes in the regulations that affect bloggers
  • Mining the Internet, Arizona Trial Lawyers Association
  • Creating secondary sites for your law practice, A2Zing, L.L.C.
  • Consumer Privacy, Call For Action
  • Legal issues in Internet Marketing, ASU College of Business
  • Social Media & Privacy, SMAZ (Social Media AZ)
  • Facebook Facial Recognition, Channel 12 News Interview

Professional Associations and Memberships

  • State Bar of Arizona, Vice President, Member Assistance Committee
  • Arizona Association for Justice, Chairman of Continuing Legal Education Committee
  • American Association for Justice
  • Scottsdale Bar Association
  • Performance Marketing Association
  • SEO Professionals
  • Ecommerce and Internet Law Section of the State of Arizona Bar Association

Pro Bono Activities

Wednesday, October 9, 2013

Vanessa Kachadurian on Vampires the favorite costume for attorneys

We often call Attorneys "Vampires" and this is the subject of many new books.  There are some that give the whole profession a bad name and resort to "crying wolf" and puting stupid labels on people they cannot prevail over.  Attorneys as "Vampires" is a new novel and the description fits well.  Remember there are some great ethical attorneys around, and they are there to help should you so need it.  Don't let the immature and amateur actions of a few sway your opinion of all of them.  Some take their job very seriously and are not just out after money.  When a human trafficker loses a case and walks away from a court date, only to watch the industry further errode they have no one to blame but themselves.   
The Bloodsuckers:
 Vampire Lawyers of Middle Tennessee

Scott Cunningham is a vampire just trying to make a living. After all, being undead isn’t cheap. There’s rent to pay, blood to buy, and child support due; it’s an eternal treadmill.
You would think it would be terribly boring, but as Scott is finding out, unlife as a lawyer in rural Tennessee is anything but.

The Premise: Fallout

Episode 1: Hanging out the Shingle

Episode 2: Smokin’

Episode 3: The Makings of a Lawyer

Episode 4: Joining the Club

Episode 5: The Hazards of Being a Divorce Attorney
Episode 6: Cleaning Up

Episode 7: Business is Booming

Episode 8: Blood, Sweat and Tears

Episode 9: Kicking Ass and Taking Names

Episode 10: Necrophilia

Are you just getting started? Download Volume One to your e-reader, smart phone, or computer. Contains the Premise and Episodes 1-10.

Episode 11: The Ex

Episode 12: A Long-Overdue Reunion

Episode 13: Dadding

Episode 14: Maggie’s True Motives

Episode 15: Puppy Love

Episode 16: Po’ Daddy

Episode 17: It’s a Date

Episode 18: Dinner and a Show, Part I

Episode 19: Dinner and a Show, Part II

Episode 20: Dinner and a Show, Part III

Still behind? Download Volume Two to your e-reader, smart phone, or computer. Contains Episodes 11-20.

Episode 21: All the Dirty Details
Episode 22: The Max Factor

Episode 23: Keep a Stiff Upper Lip

Episode 24: A Death in the Family

Episode 25: The Ultimatum

Episode 26: Loved Ones

Episode 27: A Woman’s Touch

Episode 28: A Room of Her Own

Episode 29: Taking Control

Episode 30: Bowled Over

Still behind? Download Volume Three to your e-reader, smart phone, or computer. Contains Episodes 21-30.

Episode 31: A Come to Elijah Meeting

Episode 32: The Bloodsucker

Episode 33: Doctor Death

Episode 34: It’s Going to be Fein
Episode 35: Now It’s a Party

Episode 36: Assault and the Law

Episode 37: The Delicate Holiday Dance

Episode 38: Thanksgiving Dinner

Episode 39: Going for a Walk

Episode 40: Surprise!

The Law Office of Attorney Scott Cunningham

Clarksboro, TN

Attorney Scott Cunningham

Josie Fein, Assistant

Attorney Scott Cunningham graduated from MTSU, cum laude, in 1987 with a B.A. in business management. He graduated from the Nashville School of Law in 2010, cum laude, and specialized in vampire rights. He is a native of River Bottoms, TN.

Josephine (Josie) Fein graduated from Vanderbilt University in 2003, magna cum laude, with a B.A. in English literature. She has 7 years’ experience as a paralegal and legal assistant, lately serving Judge Blackman of Murfreesboro. She is a native of Nashville.

This entire series (including content on separate pages) is copyrighted by Keri Peardon (2011-2013). Redistribution or republication of any portion of this content is prohibited. All rights reserved.

This is a work of fiction and all characters are fictitious. Any resemblance to any person, alive or dead or undead, is purely coincidental.

Sunday, September 22, 2013

Vanessa Kachadurian, when the time is to withdraw a final appeal and admit "it was dumb"

Charles Carreon a World Wide Web Attorney-  that had the tables turned on him

Vanessa Kachadurian can relate to this,

The legal and Internet world had fun with Charles Carreon a self professed “internet attorney” that set out to harm the wrong person and as attorneys who specialize in the internet do, merely try to harm, harass, intimidate and file vexatious claims.  As we all know you cannot litigate truth, and they have not gone to law school to learn this new niche area of law they have created in a somewhat “wild west fashion” of sloppiness, stretching the law and in fact trying to win at any cost even stealing someones photos, putting out fake websites, false arrests, and other amateur and immature things that only prove they are the lowest scum of the earth.  It seems Charles Carreon, is once such internet attorney that  decided to stop while he was ahead, but then it didn’t stop the internet from playing him at his own game.  No one likes an idiot that thinks they can control freedom of speech or the internet.  One particular Internet Attorney that I had issues with is still trying to desperately carve a name for himself with freebie writing on the Huffington Blog (he no longer writes for the Santa Monica Free press that he claims he won awards for) and he no longer represents Value Click.  This loser lawyer also has a free radio blog that I understand no more than 2 people on Wednesday morning even listen to.  Here is a warning to the likes of Charles Carreon and other so called “internet attorneys” here is how the internet bites back and you end up losing because of stupidity and harming someone at all costs.  Remember anyone can file a law suit/complaint for the stupidest of reasons.  It doesn’t even have to be truthful, in fact if you are only trying to silence someone it is better that it is false and you scare someone into silence. 
Victim of Internet Attorney Sleazeball with a mental disorder
Vanessa Kachadurian
Last year, embattled Arizona lawyer Charles Carreon brought a lawsuit against The Oatmeal creator Matthew Inman, doubling down by suing anonymous Internet commenters and even two charities, the National Wildlife Federation and the American Cancer Society. (The whole crazy story also involved a cartoon of an obese woman asking a bear to "Come hurr and love meeee!") Things got even weirder when Carreon threatened Chris Recouvreur, also known "Satirical Charles," who had created a website mocking Carreon. Recouvreur then sued Carreon in federal court for a declarative judgement that his site was not libelous.
In a Tuesday legal filing with the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, Charles Carreon dropped his final appeal in the Recouvreur case and now definitively owes over $46,000 in fees to Recouvreur.
Now Carreon says he regrets the entire affair. Why? Largely because it has unleashed the wrath of angry people on the Internet and has subsequently damaged his reputation online.
“I genuinely say it was a dumb thing,” Carreon told Ars. “This is not a soluble problem. This is not a problem that is soluble with a legal cease-and-desist letter, or a counter cease-and-desist letter. I would not have sent that and I really reassess the decision thoroughly. It was not a good idea. You really are dealing with a situation that is not amenable to legal resolution.”
“I made it worse”
Carreon was a little-known lawyer until June 2012, at which point he began representing the website and sued Matthew Inman, demanding $20,000 over comments Inman had made about FunnyJunk's habit of hosting Inman's cartoons. Inman then turned around and raised $100,000, giving that money to charity instead of to Carreon, at which point Carreon escalated his legal filings. At one point, Carreon even threatened to subpoena Ars Technica. (Ars’ collected coverage of the entire affair can be read here.)
In a 30-minute phone interview with Ars on Wednesday, Carreon lamented that, as a result of this entire sordid affair, his professional reputation has been damaged—or as he calls it, "rapeutated." In fact, Carreon has a colorful website at that includes an elaborate chart with a new, long, and extensive list of all the so-called “rapeutationists,” including yours truly and two more Ars staffers. If you'd like to see a picture of Carreon's critics—including an Ars Technica writer—spewing fecal matter out of their mouths, that too can be accommodated.
In short, Carreon portrays himself as the victim here—he’s now become the victim of the Streisand effect, or as it might now be called, the Carreon effect.
“So when you take a situation in which the legal rules don’t impose any effective sanctions on people for that kind of behavior, mob behavior on the Internet, then a legal analyst like myself should look at that situation and say: ‘You can’t fix everything that’s broken,’” he said. “There is not a proper legal remedy for it. I attempted to do something and I made it worse.”
“It’s an insoluble problem,” he continued. “It’s is not remediable. As long as you keep punching ‘Charles Carreon’ into Google, there’s just more stories about this nonsense. How can anyone get their message through? I’ve written hundreds of works. You can’t find them. Is that helpful? No. Now it’s difficult for prospective clients to see that I’m a relatively erudite person. Since then, some Amazon reviews of my books have, in bad faith, been given one star—I don’t sell many books anymore. Now it’s highly unlikely that anyone would say that Charles Carreon is a pretty bright guy.”
But lest the Internet think that Carreon is a bad guy with a continual ax to grind, he suggested that his Buddhist religion can help him forgive those who have wronged him.
“If I feel that something that I have said should not have been said, and somebody calls it to my attention, I generally will alter or retract it,” he said. “[Similarly,] if anyone wants to contact me in any reasonable manner, I will be happy to hear it. The point of speech is to spark discussion. My goal is to help people to realize that you’re not the only person who gets rapeutated. You need to put on your own psychological resources together to survive it. Of course this is difficult. The fact that I try to bear it with aplomb, it is difficult. Yeah, I have a lot of shit to process—I’m glad I'm a resilient person.”
“It doesn’t matter what my intentions are,” he added. “I’m learning the rules of the game. I’ve learned about mobs. I’ve learned about how blithely we can deal with other people. I never thought that people would say things about me that they did. I’m always learning. If I didn’t learn, I would truly be stupid. The fact that I learn slowly or don't know things that other people know, that doesn't make me genuinely stupid, it makes me situationally stupid.”
Vanessa Kachadurian
The easy way or the hard way
Though the legal battles sparked by Carreon's actions have ceased, it's up to Recouvreur's attorney, Paul Alen Levy of Public Citizen, to recover the money. Levy told Ars on Wednesday that it would be very easy for Carreon to finally wrap up this entire story.
“He makes a payment, we agree that he’s made the payment, and there’s a satisfaction of judgement,” Levy said. “That’s the simple way to do it.” If not, Levy will have to go through legal discovery to determine the size of Carreon's assets.
Levy said there isn’t a chance that he and his client will allow the case to be dropped without any consequences for Carreon.
“Given the amount, it’s hard to walk away from it,” he said. “We’re not willing to let the money just sit there. I really don’t know at this point what assets [Carreon] has. He has a law practice. Presumably he’s getting paid at his law practice—but you hate to think about that.”
As for Carreon, he wouldn't be pinned down on whether he would pay, but he did say that the whole ordeal had been a strain.
“Whenever you have to spend a lot of time doing stuff that is not remunerative, that is financial hardship,” Carreon said. “If somebody is making me do stuff by suing me, sure, it’s taking a bite out of my time.”

Internet lawyer finally drops his legal battle against The Oatmeal



Charles Carreon, the lawyer who tried to sue webcomic The Oatmeal for making fun of a site that republished Oatmeal comics, has finally quit the extended legal fight.
Carreon called the ordeal "dumb."
He was, you may recall, the lawyer who initially represented theoretically-humorous image hosting site FunnyJunk against Oatmeal creator Matthew Inman. In 2011, Inman wrote a blog post condemning FunnyJunk for republishing his cartoons. A year later, Carreon sent him a letter: take down that defaming post, or we're suing you for $20,000.
Of course, that suit didn't have a lot of legs, and it culminated with Inman refusing, raising $220,000 for charity, and drawing a cartoon of Carreon's mother loving a bear.
Meanwhile, a second humorist named Christopher Recouvreur started up a blog and Twitter account called Satirical Charles, which parodied Carreon's mishaps. After failing to beat Inman, Carreon threatened Recouvreur with a libel suit. The two then wrangled in court, and Carreon ended up owing the third-party parodist $46,100 in damages.
But finally, on Tuesday, Carreon conceded total defeat, and quit trying to appeal the judgment.
In a Thursday interview with Ars Technica, Carreon seemed to finally realize the folly of publicly challenging a beloved online cartoonist on behalf of a site that republishes his work.
"This is not a problem that is soluble with a legal cease-and-desist letter, or a counter cease-and-desist letter. I would not have sent that and I really reassess the decision thoroughly. It was not a good idea," he told Ars. He also noted that Oatmeal fans ended up plastering his books with one-star reviews on Amazon.
But life's not all bad for Carreon now. According to his website, his law practice is open for business, and he's got one of the top 5% viewed profiles on LinkedIn.
Illustration by Jason Reed
Charles Carreon, the lawyer who tried to sue webcomic The Oatmeal for making fun of a site that republished Oatmeal comics, has finally quit the extended legal fight.
Carreon called the ordeal "dumb."
He was, you may recall, the lawyer who initially represented theoretically-humorous image hosting site FunnyJunk against Oatmeal creator Matthew Inman. In 2011, Inman wrote a blog post condemning FunnyJunk for republishing his cartoons. A year later, Carreon sent him a letter: take down that defaming post, or we're suing you for $20,000.
Of course, that suit didn't have a lot of legs, and it culminated with Inman refusing, raising $220,000 for charity, and drawing a cartoon of Carreon's mother loving a bear.
Meanwhile, a second humorist named Christopher Recouvreur started up a blog and Twitter account called Satirical Charles, which parodied Carreon's mishaps. After failing to beat Inman, Carreon threatened Recouvreur with a libel suit. The two then wrangled in court, and Carreon ended up owing the third-party parodist $46,100 in damages.
But finally, on Tuesday, Carreon conceded total defeat, and quit trying to appeal the judgment.
In a Thursday interview with Ars Technica, Carreon seemed to finally realize the folly of publicly challenging a beloved online cartoonist on behalf of a site that republishes his work.
"This is not a problem that is soluble with a legal cease-and-desist letter, or a counter cease-and-desist letter. I would not have sent that and I really reassess the decision thoroughly. It was not a good idea," he told Ars. He also noted that Oatmeal fans ended up plastering his books with one-star reviews on Amazon.
But life's not all bad for Carreon now. According to his website, his law practice is open for business, and he's got one of the top 5% viewed profiles on LinkedIn.
Illustration by Jason Reed